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RE Rupert Lowe and post Telegraph take over by, cough, by, cough, Friends of Israel', self-confessed 'goy zionist' (dunno his role, I'd guess editor, but I can dig out name) ... this is the last comment (see bottom of comments) that sort of says it all. Nye Evans 19 hrs ago Is there anyone left on the Telegraph editorial team that isn't writing hit pieces with bed-wetting student politics level content? I'm embarrassed to call myself a subscriber at this point. Paul Trickett 18 hrs ago So that's five articles now in recent days on Lowe. Yet silence from the Telegraph on Lowe's grooming gang report and his plan to name and shame in Parliament those who sacrificed vulnerable children for their own political beliefs and agenda. A better question should be why have we thrown British citizenship and passports around like confetti to people who hate western values? Joe Bell 18 hrs ago The DT are so out of tune with their readers at the moment Ni Br 18 hrs ago 'To have been born British is to have won first prize in the great lottery of life' (Cecil Rhodes) Green Coat 18 hrs ago English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh. We are the people. Emer McDonnell 18 hrs ago They all have one English parent with the exception of the Gallaghers , who are Irish….like the words of Morrissey ‘Irish blood, English heart’… Ni Br 18 hrs ago The real scandal is that 800 illegals are lined up on the beaches of Northern France ready to make the crossing tomorrow morning thanks to the good weather. And our authorities are literally waiting to greet them! How did this madness happen?!? No, no, no... as Thatcher would have said!!! Philip Griffin 18 hrs ago The "minority by 2062" report uses census data question "do you identify as white British?". So you self identify. Everyone in the article and the King would identify as white British. Rupert wasn't on top of his brief and should have mentioned this at the time to Nick. David Bull 18 hrs ago Sir Cliff Richard and Dame Joanna Lumley were both born in India. I am beginning to loathe Rupert Lowe. There was a time when he had a point, but now his support gets smaller every day, because he is talking nonsense. Big mistake. Huge. QT Pie 18 hrs ago Its good to refresh the British gene pool with lovely Swedes, Yanks, Poles etc. otherwise it'll end up in the same predicament as our friends from a certain religion with their cousin marriages. Just Remote 18 hrs ago All he really did was ignore a stupid question. I will say What I want 18 hrs ago But he didn’t do it deftly though. Reply by Just Remote. e 18 hrs ago The BBC are not the Police 18 hrs ago Being British is being indifferent to rain, queueing orderly and being refused a doctor's appointment. I will say What I want 18 hrs ago Queuing YES Always saying ‘Sorry’ Duncan Makeyourgardengrow 18 hrs ago I did consider that spelling. I will say What I want 18 hrs ago Rupert Simple question Do you know your Beowulf? If you don’t sir you are nothing but a foreigner Graham Barnes 18 hrs ago I notice that it's as so often the critics who impose the strongest, most demanding purity standards by way of objection. Clever, as ever. Nyarlathotep Smith 18 hrs ago Nothing wrong with holding Lowe to his words and actions. Andre Beevers 18 hrs ago DT has its orders. Thomas Sowell 18 hrs ago The king isn't British, the Saxe-Coburgs have predominantly German ancestry. I will say What I want 18 hrs ago But he’s half Scottish though right? Colin Andress 18 hrs ago He’s a quarter Scottish, from the late Queen Mother. Michael Taylor 18 hrs ago I see the order has come down from on high. "Squash the nationalist frog! " Well, nations do exist. Like it or not England is a nation and it's people belong to it. The people you site are, for the most part, half British and half something else. Or would you like them to renounce their identities. Would the Telegraph wish Helen Mirren to denounce her father and pretend to be something she's not? Why should she renounce her Russian heritage? What's wrong with being half Russian? Geoff Lewis 18 hrs ago It's Mr Tice who thinks it's a problem. Colin Bovingdon 18 hrs ago Isn’t nationality usually from the father’s side? Plus of course where you were born. Your ancestry determines whether or not you’re English or British. I think I’m right but someone could correct me. CSI Compromise 18 hrs ago I don’t agree with this ridiculous DEI culture & I detest woke ideology, but neither do I agree with ethno nationalism. You’d be hard pressed to find anyone in the UK whose DNA goes back thousands of years as pure British. I believe in principles of family, community and country. Common sense, law and order, freedom of speech, equality of opportunity, the principles of English common law, the principles of European enlightenment, and goodwill to all men and women who are decent and law abiding and who reject extremism in all its guises. Name Withheld 18 hrs ago This is a silly hit piece. Instead of covering the news and having the razor-sharp political analysis I love and respect from the Telegraph this sort of article falls into the BBC London bubble trap. This sort of writing is why aim cancelling my subscription to the times. Thomas Sowell 19 hrs ago It's not Lowe's definition but Matt Goodwin's when he was an academic. Whenever you do a study like this you have to divide people into classifications and there are always going to be a tiny number of cases that blur at the edges. Disingenous left wing types use these cases to suggest the entire excercise is fraudulent, its one of the core techniques of critical theory. But lets add all these people back into the white british category, white British people would still be a minority but probably by 2064 or 2065. Why the Telegraph is engaging in this sort of obvious distraction is a mystery, presumably its another chapter in their failed attempts to resurrect the blue brand of the uniparty from the dead after the enormous betrayal that was the Boris wave. James Marshall 19 hrs ago Much as I agree with the sentiment, who gives a flying toss about Harry Kane? FFS. William O'Brien 19 hrs ago Thought I was reading the Guardian there. Then I checked the comments section and realised a lot of Guardian readers presumably thought the same…. Reply by Robert Bailey. Robert Bailey 19 hrs ago Yes I did but the guardian doesn’t let you comment on 95 percent on their made up rubbish Reply by William O'Brien. William O'Brien 19 hrs ago Could be why so many gleefully added their comments. A rare chance not to be sniffed at. Timothy Ross 19 hrs ago Meanwhile, you can get an Irish passport (so are considered Irish by the Irish government) if one of your grandparents are born in Ireland, but you cannot pass this on to your children Reply by James Marshall. James Marshall 18 hrs ago So? Elvis Parsley 19 hrs ago My dad was half Polish, my grandmother on my mums side a child from Andalucia who escaped the Spanish Civil War in 1937 at 10 years old, my grandfather (her husband) born in Dublin and lived there until he joined the 7th Army as a tanker in 1943. I'm 6'1, used to be blond and still blue-eyed, so probably pass the visual test. How does our race-correctness commissar Lowe classify me? Reply by Thomas Sowell. Thomas Sowell 15 hrs ago None of that is true, he said that white British people would be a minority by 2063 unless we change direction, he didn't say anything about throwing Charles out of the country or that anyone whose parents weren't born in Britain should be forced to leave. I have listened to the interview, you clearly haven't. If he stated either of your above assertions, tell me the timestamps... here is the interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlApdHkaVIs Reply by Dominic Owens. Dominic Owens 11 hrs ago But you're in agreement with him? He was asked: “Are you aware that, by the definitions used in that particular report, King Charles is not a white Briton? Do you think he is a white Briton?” Your parentage is not born in Britain yet you identify as British, but I assume you also agree that if you had a child with someone else born in this country, but the child lived their entire life in their ancestral Spain they would be unlikely to identify as British. You may say that many people have different interpretations of that, Nick. I mean, we can split hairs.” Alexander Grant 19 hrs ago DT subscription is slowly running out can’t wait to cancel Comment by Graham Barnes. GB Graham Barnes 19 hrs ago The genetics of the entire cluster of islands by any name, were: 1. Neolithic farmers largely the same, all over and still the lion's share of the DNA now. 2. Celtic overlay everywhere whether speaking a Brythonic or Goidelic version, from the bronze age. 3. Anglo-Saxon overlay mostly in England but also southern Scotland before the formation of that nation, and then superficially much later in Wales or Ireland. 4. Scandinavian overlay, smaller but noteworthy in all the four countries, variously Danish Norwegian to the limited extent these are at all different. 5. Barely perceptible Norman and related French in the 11th century. Culturally often important but statistically and genetically meaningless additions from the 11th century to the 20th. That's a fair amount of flexibility.Read more Reply by James Marshall. James Marshall 18 hrs ago Point 5 - you’re way out. French like and continental ancestry makes up 30% of the country’s population. Reply by Nyarlathotep Smith. Nyarlathotep Smith 18 hrs ago Fair points, there were certainly legions and auxiliaries moved around the Roman Empire, see Batavians at Vindolana. But as the Romans were a cultural rather than ethnic empire their genetic legacy will be very mixed. Particularly from the late empire. Robert Bailey 19 hrs ago Is this the DT or the Dope Not Soap paid shills website? Dave Brown 19 hrs ago It seems Lowe could have a point and open a debate. All I see is many people complaining to dare even suggest this. they can't seem to argue their point very well as all they do is name call . Debra Clarke 19 hrs ago Dropped a bit of a boo-boo with that policy, Rupe! Reply by Thomas Sowell. Thomas Sowell 18 hrs ago It's not a policy, it was an academic study conducted by Matt Goodwin. I will say What I want 19 hrs ago Rupert, you Rupert Will you use The "one-drop rule" as definition of white British. Reply by NC McD. NC McD 17 hrs ago Again in English, please? Reply by I will say What I want. I will say What I want 19 min ago It’s clear. I can’t be bothered to explain. Shoes u are not a native English Winston Antiwoke 19 hrs ago Real Brits love the monarchy, it's part of our heritage. Lowe doesn't sound very patriotic to me, especially if the fool cannot answer the question, is the king British. He's wrote his own bad publicity here. Reply by Geoff Lewis. Geoff Lewis 18 hrs ago So, if I am not a monarchist, I am not British? Even though I am descended from the Royal family? Graham Barnes 19 hrs ago There have always been amusing arguments whenever anyone, usually an old imperialist unionist, would try to claim the Wesleys/Wellesleys including the Duke of Wellington, or Bernard Montgomery, as Irish. Usually it would be Irish objecting to products of the Ascendancy, or even the medieval Old English/Old Irish [I've always loved that these are synonyms] gentry, being called Irish. Via Porrione 19 hrs ago To be fair Lowe cites a report written by someone else and that person decided the test of Britishness, not Lowe. Lowe only refused to fall to Nick Robinson’s “gotcha” question by engaging with it. That’s my reading anyway, I try to be even handed. Reply by Winston Antiwoke. Winston Antiwoke 19 hrs ago Stop polishing the turd, his silence said it all. Nick Airborne 19 hrs ago What about Lowe himself? Is he part of the Normans from France, or is he from Saxony, or perhaps part of the Vikings, or is he a Roman? So who is a true Briton? Even at Stonehenge, the oldest skeleton is a Saxon. Lowe needs to see a shrink. Reply by Winston Antiwoke. Winston Antiwoke 19 hrs ago Absolutely, he hasn't a clue about Britain or its decendency, if anything the king is 100% Anglo Saxon, is he trying to tell us they were not British, unbelievable ignorance. RB Rightback 19 hrs ago Apparently I’m descended from the Normans. My lot invaded in 1066 and the rest is history. So what’s Rupert going to do. Send me packing to France.? Although I reside in Spain 🤭😂😂😂 Chris Jimmy 19 hrs ago Mr Johnson, second rate punk. RB Rightback 19 hrs ago Who gives a flying f as long as they’re decent people? Windy Mill 19 hrs ago Lowe needs to stick to watching boats of the Norfolk coast. Graham Barnes 19 hrs ago If you actually look at the evolution of nationality law through the 20th century, Britain clearly took a balanced view mixing birthplace, parental origin, and ethnicity. That would still be fine. It certainly was not just "oooh, VALUES" like Allister Heath would have it. In the days of Empire and British Subjecthood, it encompassed the whole Empire [not people in protected states though] but they did not want everyone coming to Britain either. Some were fine, and Palmerston was ready to go to war for Don Pacifico, and that's fine too. As the Empire collapsed and nationality law reflected that, the terms were properly narrowed. They even excluded a lot of people who were ethnic British of one kind or another but whose dominions became new nations, though also giving them some status. I was not always pleased with how, but they did combine the geographic and the ethnic principles in complex ways.Read more Via Porrione 19 hrs ago The Gallaghers would fully agree that they are Irish. Agent Smith 19 hrs ago Wow... this paper is an absolute joke under the new ownership 🤣 Reply by NC McD. NC McD 17 hrs ago Isn’t it just? Peter Bailey 19 hrs ago Telegraph containment continues. Logic Probe 19 hrs ago Right then here we go: Winston Churchill: American mother - likely ethnic Brit Harry Kane: Irish Father- Eire is part of the British Isles - Ethnic Brit Daniel Day Lewis: See Harry Kane above George Orwell: British parents - next…. Queen Victoria: Royals have always been a baffling mess of various European lineages. That’s just the way European royalty happened back in the day. next… JRR Tolkien: See George Orwell above Dame Helen Mirren & Helena Bonham Carter: Actors- Don’t care. next… Eric Clapton: See Winston Churchill above Gallaghers: See Harry Kane above.Read more 18 18 older replies show older replies Reply by Logic Probe. Logic Probe 19 hrs ago So you see, we can all come in swinging, but end up friends, and be better off for it. Bonds easily forged because of a shared story that goes way back, beyond the BS of recent times. Reply by Calros Fallonius. Calros Fallonius 19 hrs ago Exactly. StillOnHoldTo HMRC 19 hrs ago What an absolute weapon. Lowe is deranged and a liability for the right. Shake this muppet off. Reply by I will say What I want. I will say What I want 19 hrs ago You raise a valid point. We may disagree with each other but the right is splintered and some if it’s leaders are talking nonsense and/or doing the wrong things. It’s like we cant be adults. To come up with well thought out policies. I will say What I want 19 hrs ago Boris Johnson would be stuffed. He has a Turkish heritage. Reply by Graham Barnes. Graham Barnes 19 hrs ago Almost as bad as being born in America. His Turkish heritage is a couple of extra generations back, IIRC. Reply by Paul Beard. Paul Beard 19 hrs ago And he was born in the USA Graham Barnes 19 hrs ago Helen Mirren's Russianness need not be held against her, nor would I, but it was hardly any secret either. Everyone's heard it as Mironova. Graham Barnes 19 hrs ago Birthplace IS a stupid definition, but it shows a well meaning attempt to avoid ethnicity. He should embrace the latter. That would restore [heh] Churchill and Orwell off the bat. The Day-Lewises too, of course. They were not Gaels. Tolkien too. Orwell and Tolkien, of course, were born in places that were not foreign at the time, AND were ethnically English diaspora. This is not really hard. 3 3 older replies show older replies Reply by Graham Barnes. Graham Barnes 19 hrs ago Sorry- I did mean only to imply most of Hitler's European neighbours by that remark, and per my other comments, not precluding a slightly more relaxed but obvious ethnic component in how Britons identified themselves then. The Soviet Union was an ideologically multinational state that took great care to identify its component ethnicities including when mixed. India was a VERY mixed society whose peoples nonetheless are very interested in how and to what degree they are mixed and have arguments about it. The US then considered itself an Anglo-Germanic led jumble of Europeans with a black minority, and had not decided how to remake itself with all that in mind. Though the war itself moved a long way toward pulling the other Europeans into the same fold in everyone's mind, with the black minority left out for another generation. Or more. One of the things they were doing in the generation prior to that war was keeping in-migration to a bare minimum with radical assimilation of Europeans in mind. My only point was that ethnic identity was still a major issue for Hitler's opponents of all kinds- a lot in the shaping of his European enemies [the Dutch, Czechs and others saw themselves as their nationalities just fine], and not trivial for others, and that it is not correct to portray that as a war of horrible ethnonationalists against happy clappy post-ethnic, post-national, global internationalists.Read more Reply by Graham Barnes. Graham Barnes 19 hrs ago Forgot about myself- it's not really about purity for me. It's just that I have heard no evidence that many people in my lineage left Scotland as far back as the 1600s, which rather suggests none did. I cannot be the only person with boring, poor ancestors. wallis king 19 hrs ago Lowe derangement syndrome in full effect here. Rupert will win the next election! Reply by Windy Mill. Windy Mill 19 hrs ago Not a chance, the majority see him for what he is! Nye Evans 19 hrs ago Is there anyone left on the Telegraph editorial team that isn't writing hit pieces with bed-wetting student politics level content? I'm embarrassed to call myself a subscriber at this point.

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